Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Midtown High School (comics)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Features of the Marvel Universe. Split on the numbers, but those in favour of deletion consistently made the case that sources for this article are lacking, whereas arguments for keeping relied on an assertion that sources must exist which ultimately hasn't been substantiated. – Joe (talk) 05:16, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Midtown High School (comics)

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Another location from comic books that is just a plot summary + list of appearances, with no reception/discussion of significance (although there is a tiny history section that is reasonably referenced, but I'll stress - it describes the location, it does not assert it is important). My WP:BEFORE failed to locate anything outside mentions in passing in context of various plot sumamries, and as such I am afraid this fails WP:GNG. A redirect to Features of the Marvel Universe could be considered, but I'll note that page doesn't mention this school (or any other below university level), so actually, a merge (of the history section?) might be appropriate. HOWEVER, do note I consulted the sources cited and I cannot verify the claim that " According to comic book historian Peter Sanderson, Lee based the fictional school on Forest Hills High School in New York City" (I can't find it on page 30 of the book cited, accessible through GBooks, or elsewhere in that books with my search). The other claim (" In the Tom Holland Spider-Man films, the Midtown High School closely resembles an actual elite NYC public high school: the Bronx High School of Science.") seems verifiable with source cited [1], but I wouldn't call this a SIGCOV discussion of this fictional entity (it's just mentioned in two sentences of that article). PS. Previous AfD from 2015: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Midtown High School did not impress me with a bunch of WP:ITSIMPORTANT claims and poor quality sources. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:51, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, Comics and animation, and Education. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:51, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per WP:TNT. A complete mess of fancruft. Even assuming it is notable, it would have to be completely rewritten. However, I have my heavy doubts that it is notable. The sources brought up in the 2015 discussion are all clearly trivial coverage, WP:REFBOMBing if you will. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:23, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning keep and improve. It would be odd if a location central to numerous blockbuster films (as well as TV series, even putting aside the comic books) was not itself the subject of coverage sufficient to maintain an article. No objection to merging to an appropriate target, but I don't think that would be an MCU-exclusive page due to its appearances in many other media. Perhaps an article on locations in Spider-Man media, which would at least include the house where Peter was raised by Aunt May and Uncle Ben, and the Oscorp headquarters (which currently has its own article, not particularly better than this one). BD2412 T 19:19, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Features of the Marvel Universe – I feel this doesn't warrant anything beyond a paragraph over there, unless significant notability can be proved. 02:34, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Merge or redirect per WP:GNG. There isn't significant coverage in reliable third-party sources, but I see a few editors have suggested a good redirect target. Shooterwalker (talk) 18:40, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to consider Merge target since there is some ambiguity about it.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:58, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning keep and improve for the same reasons of @BD2412. Redjedi23 (talk) 18:30, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am leaning on Keep as well. It appears on everything Spidey related lately. It is my second guess that it is potentially notable if research is done. And there are redirects of fictional characters that are a part of this fictional school last time I checked. We don’t need these redirects to redirect to another redirect of a settings list article IMO. Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 06:19, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If it's really so important we should have a section in Features of the Marvel Universe to redirect it too... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:54, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, clearly split betweenthose wanting to Merge this article and those advocating Keeping it. Maybe a few more days will help make consensus clearer.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:26, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the claims that were made by @BD2412:, @Redjedi23:, and @Jhenderson777: or merge with the other locations section of Features of the Marvel Universe in the spirit of WP:PRESERVE. --Rtkat3 (talk) 02:39, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Rtkat3 I am not seeing any of them citing a single source to address issues of lack of SIGCOV? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:50, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.